Saturday, June 23, 2007

QUESTIONING OUR RULERS (PART 2)

I’ve been questioning Uranus as ruler of Aquarius in my last couple of posts, and there’s been some good discussion on it. My concern has been that the positive, humanitarian side of Aquarius, which is so central to the sign, seems to be left out by Uranus’ rulership. Lynn at astrodynamics set out to redress this, and did a good job of it. So I’m warming to the guy, even though he reminds me a bit of the Christian God.

But what about Neptune, ruler of Pisces? If ever a god was male, it is Neptune. If ever a sign was feminine, it is Pisces. OK, he rules the sea, and he does a nice line in emerging with his trident from the crashing breakers. But the real sea is its mysterious, formless depths, we need to have a sense of that deep sea and its denizens if we are to understand Pisces. Neptune is exactly the kind of guy who would not understand those depths, he is not even aware they are there except in a vague kind of way, he’s only a god of the ocean inasmuch as he can impress the girls with his surfing. He’s much more at home causing storms and earthquakes and picking the winner at the races (he’s god of horses as well). Or going in for a bit of rape and incest.

Now I don’t think we need to choose a different body orbiting the Sun as ruler of Pisces, because the planet we call Neptune certainly has a very strong Piscean effect, whether in a natal chart or by transit. It’s just that we’ve named him wrongly, and if we were going to choose one of the planets to name wrongly, it would have to be the ruler of Pisces.

If we were to name him right, there would then be a load of mythic material available that would help us understand Pisces more deeply. And it doesn’t take long to find a number of sea gods and goddesses who may not be the right one, but who would certainly do a better job than Neptune.

Such as Proteus, an early sea-god who Homer called ‘The Old Man of the Sea’. He “was made the herdsman of Poseidon's seals, the great bull seal at the centre of the harem. He can foretell the future, but, in a mytheme familiar from several cultures, will change his shape to avoid having to; he will answer only to someone who is capable of capturing him.” (Wiki)

Or there is Oceanus, a Titan (son of Uranus and Gaia), who is also the ocean itself. He was often depicted as having the upper body of a muscular man with a long beard and horns, and the lower torso of a serpent. In one image, a fish-tailed Oceanus is seen arriving at a wedding with a fish in one hand and a serpent in the other, gifts of bounty and prophecy.

Neptune’s (or rather Poseidon’s) wife was Amphitrite (after whom an asteroid is named), the goddess queen of the sea. She certainly feels right to me as a possible ruler of Pisces, but there is very little material on her. She is “ the female personification of the sea: the loud-moaning mother of fish, seals and dolphins.”

Liz Greene favours Dionysus, conceived out of a secret love affair between Zeus and Semele. Hera, Zeus’ wife, was jealous and, “At Hera’s orders the Titans seized him, and despite his transformations into animal shapes, tore him into shreds. They boiled the pieces in a cauldron, while a pomegranate tree sprouted from the soil where his blood had fallen.

“But his grandmother Rhea rescued him and brought him to life again. He was raised in secret, disguised as a girl. But Hera found him again when he reached manhood, and drove him mad. He went wandering all over the world, accompanied by his tutor Silenos (a satyr) and a company of wild Maenads. He taught the art of the vine to Egypt and India, and then returned to wander round Greece. Eventually he arrived at Thebes, the place of his mother’s birth. There King Pentheus (whose name means ‘one who suffers’, like Dionysus himself), disliked the god’s dissolute appearance, and arrested him and his shabby train. But Dionysos drove the King mad, and Pentheus found that he had shackled a bull instead of the god. The Maenads escaped and went raging out upon the mountains, where they tore wild animals in pieces. The King attempted to stop them but, inflamed with wine and religious ecstasy, the Maenads, led by the King’s mother, rent him limb from limb and tore off his head. Thus he met the same fate as the god whom he had rejected.”

Then there is Sedna, the Inuit goddess of the sea, and currently the name of a minor planet. There are various legends about her, such as: “Sedna was a beautiful and chaste maiden who was innocently lured into marriage by an evil bird spirit. When her father tried to rescue her, the spirit became angry and caused a terrible storm which threatened the very survival of her people. In desperation, Sedna's father threw her into the raging sea.

The varying legends each give different rationales for her death at the hands of her father. Sometimes she is the innocent victim, and sometimes she appears to deserve death as punishment for greed or some other evil. But all tales agree that she descended into the depths of the ocean and became the Goddess of Sea Creatures. As such she became a vital deity, eagerly worshipped by hunters who depended on her goodwill to supply food.” (Wiki)

So I don’t know. But with Neptune one day away from an exact opposition to Saturn, it’s probably a good time to be thinking about it.

Meanwhile I'm off to try and watch Iggy Pop live on TV - he's performing down the road at Glastonbury Mudfest as I write.


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10 comments:

Kenna J said...

Given that gods and goddesses are the identified essence of archetypal energies we all encounter in life, it seems to me simply a result of the ignorance of the feminine in all things in the last 2000 years that we have such a glut of gods in our collective conscious and such a paucity of goddesses. Obviously, if deities embody the underlying forces of life, this disproportionate amount of yang can't be correct.

So, some of the gods must actually BE goddesses. As i mentioned in a previous comment, we are part of an era that is unfamiliar with identifying true feminine (by which i mean yin) power, and so mistakes it for masculinity. The thought goes, "Here is something very powerful; therefore, it must be a masculine force." Then the deity behind a force is assigned the incorrect gender.

I think Neptune is a perfect candidate for a sex change in our consciousness. Although the stories about Neptune are bizarrely macho, the real action of Neptune is feminine all the way.

In my previous comment, i said that Pluto is through-and-through an example of yin power. I feel the same way about Neptune. What could be more amorphous and incomprehensible (yin attributes) than the sea? Water is our archetypal symbol for emotions, a feminine force.

When i close my eyes and look at Pluto, she looks all feminine to me. I have not meditated nearly so much on Neptune, but perhaps i will begin. I think she will be much happier when she gets to be in a shape that suits her better.

Mary-Beth said...

Well... I wish I could have closed my eyes on the 9 squares I had from Pluto (March 5, 1965 9 am Boston) over the last decade. The only thing that is feminine about Pluto is the quiet persistent penetration of the energy as your outworn energies are purified and reduced to a core elemental essence or essential being, if you will.

Neptune is the male ruler of the female sea. I feel rather safe knowing that a strong king is watching over my fluid nature. And remember, back in the day ALL women were under control of men...first their fathers and then their husbands. Only acsetic women who remained virgins were able to be their own masters, which is why I find Virgo very masculine.

I think the key is to consider that outer planets move slower and hence their true natures must be considered generationally or in phases of exaltation when their sign and house position could be directly compared to events on the planet in history.

A daunting task but worthy of consideration. I'm sure it's been done in some way, shape or form...but has it been done solely to qualify astrology's expression of yin/yang energies?

ASTROTABLETALK said...

There's the empirical approach of thoroughly observing a planet's effects over time. And there's the inspired/intuitive approach, where a planet's meaning comes to you from who-knows-where, and you find all sorts of meanings and connections that you could never have thought of.

Mary-Beth said...

Yeah, true that. I just think the proof is in the pudding (pardon the borrowed English expression) and since a collective acceptance would be required to institute such name/rulership changes than we'd better have some concrete reasons to substantiate the change.

Just for the sake of argument, however, it is fun to speculate that Pisces with it's tendencies to be expansive in awareness, naive in judgement when collectively unable to sort out the pieces and yet so consistently self-deprecating as far as humility goes... only Seyella Santharian Goddess of Destiny would be worthy to represent Pisces in name and substance.

Mythology: As the Goddess of Destiny Seyella is one of the most feared Gods of all the Twelve, but also the one who is prayed to and called upon in seemingly hopeless situations. At least this is the way commoners prefer it, however, elven myth sees Seyella as a very tragic and desperate figure among the Gods...

That's my 2 pence, hehe.

chrispito said...

I dunno, I have never associated gods and goddesses as male or female (despite the obvious 'ess' at the end of the female.
I was raised a Christian, yet I have never thought of God as male. Ever. Which partly explains why I gave up my faith.
I like to intuit these things, not have them defined for me. The male/female thing really is something I remind myself of only because I feel it's imperative I understand where other people's ideas originate from.
In the other thread Kenna J, you wondered why people think of the Bull as male. Well, I don't and would have a hard time picking a gender for the Bull.
In all honesty, if pushed to, I wold say 'female' because I am female. I am the Bull.
I hope what I am writing makes sense. Low blodd sugar, must eat.

Thanks for a great discussion, glad to listen!

chrispito said...

Oh, and Glasto! I went once. It truly was a magical weekend. I love how you are watching the performers from the snugness of your home!

ASTROTABLETALK said...

I think I could go with Neptune as Protector of Pisces, but I think he's deluding himself if he thinks he's ruling it. Maybe we should let him delude himself - it fits with Pisces.

Iggy was great. Shirt off, trim physique, it's only the face that gives it away. Shagging the sound equipment, embracing the crowd, having a load of them on stage and then getting them off in a really good way, and his music sounded fresh. Unlike The Who, who were competent, but should've retired years ago. Poor old Pete Townsend in his shirt and jacket trying to swing his arms in the air. Now Bjork .. she was amazing, all these different elements fused together, mythic power. Mind you, the Icelanders are still close to their sagas and epics, and I think this can give them this power, like the Icelandic novelist Halldor Laxness.

mb said...

Are we delusional or illusional? Since I think the right minded fish create illusions to show people what we're actually feeling.

On the downside, when we're wounded or insecure I think these same illusions become demonized in a way thereby creating de-lusions.

Kenna J said...

Oh, chrispito, you really said it. The deities are neither male or female; I agree completely. And, when you think about it, neither are we. Thanks for reminding me.

Alkaus said...

It seems to me that we have gone far beyond the assigned qualities of the gods/goddesses (and I do still find it at least disturbing with the unequal distribution of the sexes in these...at least in their prominence..but then I'm an Aquarian:) in our attributions of qualities and characteristics of the planetary energies and signs.
"Astrological" mythology seems to have taken on a life of it's own, making it difficult to produce a perfect match. It more becomes a more fluid 'associative' system more than a rigid one-on-one relationship with many overlaps and no one symbol completely describing another. But I think that is the state of the symbolic world. I know we'll see 'some' sort of slow evolution here as we become aware of more planets and more celestial energy drifts into our consciousness but it's not evident to me now where it goes next. Besides…geez...what will they do about all those tables of correspondences that the Western Mystery Tradition schools (like BOTA) have concocted?