The latest comment (from jm) is as follows:
I just can't figure out you nutty Aquarians!
Father of the entire universe and you don't want him????
Actually I can go along with Uranus as ruler, and come to think of it I like the idea of him being father of the entire universe. And he does describe certain basic aspects of Aquarius better than any other mythic figure. Such as imprisoning his children in the bowels of the earth because they repelled him: the Aquarian tendency to be alienated from the earthy and instinctual realm, and to identify with progressive ideas in a one-sided way, is well-known. And for all its claims to universal brotherhood, Aquarius does a nice-line in dictators, like Ceaucescu of Romania. Or Jorg Haider (also born 26 Jan), a prominent politician with Nazi sympathies in Austria. Hitler became Chancellor on 30 Jan 1933, with the Sun in Aquarius. Ronald Reagan was an Aquarian, but he was merely very right-wing.
It’s just that Uranus doesn’t do a full enough job for Aquarius (see last post). In my opinion, this is also the case with Neptune for Pisces and Mercury for Virgo. The ruler needs to broadly characterise the sign, so that you can see the main traits of the sign in the ruler. Such as warrior Mars ruling Aries. Liz Greene (She Who Polarises Opinion) promotes Dionysus as a suitable mythic figure for Pisces. As for Virgo, Mercury clearly describes important parts of the sign, but there is far too much left out: Virgo the pure, Virgo the prostitute, Virgo the moral and Virgo the hypocrite, Virgo who serves and Virgo who heals.
Has anyone else got opinions on rulers? With Uranus stationing, it’s a good time for questioning the accepted canon.
I mean, let’s face it, the system of rulerships is a bit of a dog’s dinner these days. At least in the good old days, before the outer planets came along, there was a symmetry to the rulerships. We no longer have that symmetry, and we have 3 signs with co-rulers (Scorpio, Aquarius and Pisces). But at least more justice is now being done to some of the signs. So what co-ruler could we find for Virgo? Ceres?
I think there are good grounds for being less trustful of the modern names for astronomical bodies. In the good old days, there was not the modern divide between astronomy and astrology, and the planets would have been named with sensitivity to their astrological/mythic function. Remarkably, they seemed to do a good job with Pluto, maybe because the name was suggested by an 11 year-old schoolgirl with an interest in Classical Mythology.
17 comments:
The argument about Ceres' rulership has already begun. My position is that Ceres is a better fit for Cancer, especially using my argument for Ceres as the higher octave of the Moon.
Virgo's co-ruler is Chiron - Chiron perfectly fills out Virgo's roles in service and health. Virgos resonate strongly with the story of Chiron as do planets in the sixth house.
The point in the previous thread about the more positive aspects of Aquarius are well taken, so here are a few more points about Uranus:
He was born by Gaia to be equal to herself, hence the connection with equality and justice.
Uranus is the starry sky of the heavens and thereby represents the highest ideals of humankind.
According to Cicero, Uranus's castration story was a popularized superstition of the tale of Uranus as "the highest element of celestial ether or fire which by itself generates all things [and was] devoid of that bodily part which required union with another for the work of procreation." Hence the connection of Uranus to the higher levels of creativity and insight.
As ruler of the heavenly abode of the gods, Uranus connects us to the higher levels of awareness and brings flashes of insight and electricity.
I'm really getting into this, I'm going to finish on my own blog. :)
This post is hilarious!!!!
I remember that 11 year old!
And he does describe certain basic aspects of Aquarius better than any other mythic figure. Such as imprisoning his children in the bowels of the earth because they repelled him:
HA HA HA!
Aquarius does a nice-line in dictators
HA HA HA HA!!
I'll be back later. I have a lot to say!
Those Uranianisms are great lynn! I'll definitely be back.
A convention of Astrologers. I love it! You guys are fabulous!
Sandy
I think the correct term is a conjunction of astrologers?
Interesting post..
I think given that we are in the Age of Aquarius, the ruler of this sign Uranus is the father or big daddy of at least our energies. I was reading about phases of evolution according to the "Ages" and you can find the same discussion here: http://www.adishakti.org/age_of_aquarius.htm
I also believe (being the good Pisces that I am) that there is a lot we have yet to learn about astrology especially have black holes and other anomolies affect the neutrinos as they pass through the universe and imprint their unique energies upon our cellular matrices.
However, if you examine each sign and consider that there are decantes (1,2,3), I think it helps delineate higher and lower levels of expression which do complete each sign's potential to be different.
Oh, there is just so much to consider...which is why this age of Aquarius represented by Uranus and the symbol of electrical energy will certainly be one of the best for humanity, astrology and all of the estoteric sciences.
Correction: ...especially as there are black holes and other anomolies which affect the neutrinos...
Lynne Hayes says 'The argument about Ceres' rulership has already begun. My position is that Ceres is a better fit for Cancer, especially using my argument for Ceres as the higher octave of the Moon.'
I'm sorry, but I agree with Dhamarucci on the Ceres front. Using Chiron as a coruler makes virgo rulership doubly male and completely omits the feminine mother/virgin axis. Whilst Ceres completes Virgo.
And virgo month August is early harvest time in the northern hemisphere which connects the sign again with the Ceres motif.
This blog has a special rule that says you don't apologise if you disagree!
Ha ha!! That makes it MUCH easier for me.
This caught my attention:
He was born by Gaia to be equal to herself, hence the connection with equality and justice.
I had forgotten this important factor and this finally erases any residual doubt (not that I had any measurable amount).
The move beyond traditional male-female role playing is what I have always loved about my Aquarian friends and their respect for me as a person, with the old female perception on another planet. This has been one of my greatest liberations and a large part of why they have been my best friends altogether. Of course, this varies according to other factors from Aquarian to Aquarian.
My last Aquarian friend was with me when I had a relationship with another man. We were all friends. I use to spend many nights in the Aqaurian's bedroom and no one even thought twice about it. We were both musicians and night people. It was completely natural and unthreatening to anyone. The preciousness of frienship dominated.
The idea of Uranus's equality is a big one. The whole idea of equality in male-female relationship, one of Aquarius' high high cards.
A conjunction of Astrologers! But of course! I'm too new at this. But I do enjoy reading your blog everyday. :)
Sandy
Yeah, the whole beauty of Uranus (no pun intended JM) is that humanity is one collective energy source that flows forth freely and may surprise us with flashes of genius or eccentricity.
What puzzles me is how can Aquarians be considered a fixed sign and yet be so hard to pin down? Lightning is seemingly unpredictable yet a constant in nature when conditions are just right and the elements conspire to force the charge to earth. So, where is such a fixidity found if not in Saturn -> a former co-ruler?! Or is Aquarius only fixed when it comes to be stubbornly attached to independent thought? ~ Cheers! ~
Very funny m-b!
Despite fear of getting any of the Aquarians around here further disgruntled, I've found them to be quite stubborn, due to their fixed nature. Many hate to move.
One lesson my last Aquarian taught me was how to sit in a chair for 12 hours straight during our many brilliant conversations without eating or drinking. There were cigarettes involved, however.
Excellent title for this piece, btw.
It makes sense to say that Virgo needs a feminine co-ruler, but not when you think of the fact that a "virgin" is just a woman who has chosen not to marry. The more modern connotation of virgin meaning a woman who has never been lessened somehow by sexual activity (as if such a thing could be possible) isn't very relevant for Virgo. There's a sense of being independent, living for one's own sensibilities, and making one's own rules when one is a virgin in the original sense, and this fits Virgo very well, whether the ruler is masculine or feminine.
I have thought of Chiron as the ruler of Virgo for many years, and it makes sense to me. Chiron did not marry and had no family, but served his community by mentoring young people. Chiron was accidentally killed by one of these youth, which to me this corresponds with Chiron's connection to rapes. (According to Bob Marks, the charts of rape victims at the time of the violent event often highlights Chiron.) There is such a deep sense of betrayal around rape because the rapist abuses the victim until she is willing to betray herself in order to save her own life. The victim is often blamed, if not directly then in general by the culture. It's like the very softest part of a person, the femininity which lends itself so well to nurturing, is used to murder her, like being killed by someone you helped when he needed it most.
But, if you feel you need a feminine-identified ruler, how about Vesta? Her priestesses were all virgins who kept her temple tidy and had sex only on special holy days. So, the mythology is there. In my experience, having sex with a Virgo sure seems like a special holy day. It's definitely memorable, and the Virgo doesn't seem to take it lightly!
Virgo as prostitute is a new one for me. Where does this come from, just the fact that Virgo is traditionally a woman? How misogynist this would be. In reality, all the Prostitutes i've known have been Sagittarians or Capricorns.
Our astrological symbols are WAY out of proportion to the masculine side. Obviously, this can't be accurate. I mean, if you divide all the energy in the universe up into 12 parts, we find that only one of them is female? Yeah, right. It's nice that we have some feminine asteroids in action now.
I've always felt that Pluto is feminine. Even though 'he' is portrayed as the Lord of the Underworld, all of 'his' actions are extremely feminine in nature. Perhaps people don't notice this because the actions are so powerful, and our culture is unfamiliar with what feminine power looks like. But, think of any type of Plutonian transformation: it's never the sort of thing that knocks on your door and looks you in the face in a self-other, yang sort of way. No, it is something that sneaks along your floor while you're sleeping and slowly seeps into your sheets, unnoticed, spreading, until it has gradually taken over your whole life. Sounds pretty yin to me. And Pluto is always the one left standing at the end, with people not even being able to remember what their lives were like before things started coming apart. Endurance and subtlety are decidedly feminine energies.
I think i may qualify as a worshipper of Pluto. I often feel close to her.
I think of Juno ruling Libra. This seems right, with the self-sacrifice and the abundantly other-focused mental energy. Aren't these traits of Juno? Anybody know?
I love the idea of Ceres ruling Cancer; it makes so much sense.
To the Pisces who says there's so much more to learn about astrology: Well, yeah! This is why it's so exciting to study it.
And, no, no, Dharmaruci, i'm sure you have it wrong: It's a 'stellium' of astrologers...
:-D
And don't forget, Taurus and Libra share a ruler. I have Sun in Taurus, so naturally I want one all to my very self. Only me. And preferably edible...
Chrispito,
No question: You Taureans own Venus.
Why doesn't anyone complain that the bull is male? That one's way wrong, for sure. The violent anger is right, but there's a lot of cow in them, too. I think Taurus deserves to be all bovines. Many of these are edible.
As an Aries, i also feel that the ram is not a sufficient sign for Aries. I think we are all sheep. We Aries are easily led and easily taken advantage of, just like ewes.
I think the duality of humanity is reflected in each of the signs. Many of them are outwardly male and yet express inwardly female characteristics...and vice versa.
I don't agree with using Asteroids for constellations which have been named eons ago. Or for that matter renaming signs or their rulers. I think it would cause too much confusion to remake the wheel, don't you?
In my humble opinion, I think we should reconsider the expression of the signs and how they're defined within the houses... Or perhaps if this stellium of astrologers isn't thrilled with the sex or humanness of a sign or ruler we should consider that such a demarcation could be reason to encourage our clients to embrace the antithesis of the energy... Soften if too Leo or Scorpionic, strengthen if too fluid in Pisces or insecure in Cancer and be more aware of brethren if Arian in self-focus or if too independent minded an Aquarian.
I dunno. I think it's the definition and advice not the terms that need to be revised :)
Cheers, MB (A Pedantic Pisces)
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