The US Sibly Chart (4th July 1776 17.10 Philadelphia) has MC at 1.03 Libra. Pluto will exactly square this point in 2008 and 2009. In a Mundane Chart I interpret the MC as the government (amongst other things).Pluto exactly conjoined the Sibly MC in 1971-2, the time of the Watergate break-in. As Pluto finally moved more than 3 degrees away in 1974, Nixon was forced to resign over the issue.
One of the things about Pluto is that he is hidden. So even when we have a personal Pluto transit, we often do not know much of what is going on: our job is to stay connected to the process, rise to whatever challenges it throws our way, and trust in the eventual outcome.
And that same hidden quality can apply to the external events associated with a Pluto transit. Very few people knew about the Watergate break-in at the time (which was itself symptomatic of a whole range of abuses by the Nixon government). Pluto’s actions did not emerge from the Underworld in which they had been born, with Nixon in tow, until some time later.
I have no reason to suppose that the upcoming Square of Pluto to the US MC will be any better. Pluto has been within 3 degrees of squaring the US MC this year, so the transit has started. And it tells us, as if we needed telling, that we should not trust what the current US administration is getting up to. They are in a desperate situation politically, and Pluto is saying that there may be no limits to the dirty deeds they will get up to in order to hang on to power. They are happening already and will probably intensify, but we will not know the full picture for at least a few years.
It is interesting that the exact squares to the MC do not begin until Dec 2008, which will theoretically be the last days of the current administration. Does this mean (as I asked yesterday) some sort of coup by Bush-Cheney, or further repressive measures in a coup that has already happened? Or does it mean the start of some powerful healing process for the US after the awfulness of the Bush years? One way or the other, it’s something pretty powerful going on – a something that may not be fully apparent at the time, for better or for worse.
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I am really curious as to why you have not commented on what is going on with the Senate and Gonzales. The process here works - the senate holds the true power. Nothing about this here and what is going on with that. On going discussion between house, senate, judiciary (supreme court) and president - with ultimately the senate being a very powerful group. It is not in the DNA of Bush/Cheney to do something like a coup - no matter what else we think about them. They would have to have the military on their side - which they do not even if they thought about this for 5 seconds. Did you not read about the dissenting Generals last year?
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Rumsfeld_and_the_Generals
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/073107J.shtml
How about this from abcnews.go.com about Gonzales: "The impeachment resolution is viewed by many on Capitol Hill as symbolic and unlikely to get much traction."
I have no doubt it IS in the DNA of Bush/Cheney to attempt a coup. I think it's whether or not they think it's practical that is the question. I think it's not practical, and I think they probably think the same.
From the USA here. The way our system is set up, the Congress is supposed to have enough power to check and balance the Executive branch. However, the Executive branch has lately been undermining this power any way it can. For example, are you aware that things have been inserted into bills by the Executive branch AFTER the bills have been passed by Congress? All bills are to be signed by Congress, and then the President gets the option to veto. The President is not supposed to add things without the approval of Congress.
When it came to light that this was happening, nobody really talked about it. Everyone was talking about other things, like how we could best divide Iraq up into different cultural groups. (!)
The only real power Congress has left is impeachment of Bush and Cheney. They refuse to do it, even though their constituents have demanded it. Why? Perhaps it is as Dharmaruci suggests, that the coup has already happened. Even Congress hasn't brought it to consciousness yet, although they already are mysteriously following it.
Don't let your head get turned this way and that by the series of scandalous debates the corporate-run "news" programs keep streaming toward you to keep you occupied. They keep these coming in order to reinforce your belief that the system you love is still working.
Pluto comes up from the bottom, from where you are not expecting her. By the time you figure out what is going on, the disintegration has already happened. Those who follow astrology have the jump on this sort of awareness. I think that if you LOOK for what is coming apart, its easy to see, even with all the smokescreens. After all, what is Capricorn but the Head, the Executive Branch?
By the way, if anyone wants to sponsor me to come live in the UK, please contact me.
This idea of a coup seems to be spreading in the liberal press just now. I wonder who started it.
I'll link to 3 articles from yesterday.
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/07/31/2874/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/naomi-wolf/time-for-a-democracy-move_b_58507.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/coleen-rowley/dangers-of-a-cornered-geo_b_58429.html?load=1&page=2#comments
Whilst I wonder if this kind of speculation is helpful to an already jittery nation, there might be some benefit - it might prod Congress into impeaching Bush and/or Cheyney if it spreads even further into national and international press.
I still think though that if there is a strong astrological indication that something like a coup might happen, then the reason is more likely to be due to catastrophe or attack - which doesn't make it any better, I know.
Pluto usually cleans out what has run its course and leaves things in a much healthier state. I know this from personal experience when Pluto transited my natal Venus, retrograded and transited Venus again. If we have to go through trauma to get to a better place - so be it. (From a Brit living in the USA.)
I am interested to hear your take on the difference between a conjunction to the MC (the 1970s event) vs. a square (the impending event). Do you think that will make a difference in how things will play out?
I have added 2 postings to the Bush_Cheney...Coup thread
Dharmaruci, do you know what the quote at the bottom of the Hitler photo says? It's too small to read.
I have been telling friends for the last 2 years that I keep getting this feeling that Bush and company are not planning to leave office. They have their own agenda that they are right on course with. They haven't skipped a beat. They appear remarkably unscathed and unaffected by how low their approval ratings are. This will come down to a Supreme Court decision about the scope of 'executive privilege'. What was very curious was the speed of Bush's response when Chief Justice Roberts has his 'seizure' and took a spill.... He very quickly said that he was just fine. I'm not so sure of that. A sudden seizure and a 10 foot fall is serious. But Roberts is part of the 'big plan'. People are quick to label things as "conspiracy theories"......that they perceive as unthinkable. We are in extraordinary times.....and the United States will not be the same. It is already not the same. It is the fall of an empire....presided over by criminals. Thanks for affirming my continuous premonitions of a "coup". I agree....it's already happened.
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