Tuesday, May 13, 2008

When Will Hillary Go? Your Opinion Please.

It’s a good sort of guessing game – when will Hillary go? I invite all my readers to give a date, backed up by astrological argument, as to when Hillary Clinton will concede to Barack Obama in the Democratic nomination contest. I’m going for 4th June.

Hillary was born 26 Oct 1947 in Chicago, Illinois, time uncertain.

I think the real battle has been over for quite some time now. It began under the prolonged opposition from Mars to Pluto that lasted, on and off, from September through to the end of March. It started in earnest on super-Tuesday in early February, when a large number of US States held their Primaries. At this time Mars was stationing between the tips of the horns of the bull – what an omen for a great contest!

Arguing astrologically, I’d say the real battle finished when Mars stopped opposing Pluto on 29 March, because that had been the presiding signature of the contest.

What we are dealing with in Hillary is an enormous amount of staying power which is proving also to be extremely stubborn in the face of defeat. ‘Testicular fortitude’ is the term being used by her supporters. Her funding has dried up, Obama now has the lead amongst super-delegates, and the arithmetic for her to win just isn’t there – and hasn’t been for some time now.

This stubbornness and staying power is described by her Scorpio-Leo configuration. She has Sun in Scorpio, and Mercury-Venus in Scorpio square to a Mars-Pluto-Saturn conjunction in Leo. Very fixed and determined, very good at surviving (Scorpio) and very ambitious (Leo).

The main transit occurring for her (in the absence of a birth time) is Neptune opposing her natal Saturn at 21 Leo and squaring her Mercury at 21 Scorpio. This is not a great natal aspect for charisma, but it is good for emphasising how experienced you are (Saturn), which has been the line she has taken against Obama.

Neptune is now stationing opposite her Saturn, dissolving (Neptune) her stubborn resistance (Saturn) to conceding the leadership (Saturn/Leo). Neptune will be gaining power over the next 2 weeks as he slows right down and then goes retrograde. I reckon this will do for Hillary. Her Saturn will finally yield to Neptune’s power. Neptune is also about illusion and waking from illusion. Neptune being so active for her right now suggests to me that she is not just being calculating or determined, but that she is also refusing to face reality.

Being as fixed as she is, it is more likely she will go towards the end of Neptune stationing, or even as he turns retrograde. So she will fight not just today’s primary in West Virginia, but Kentucky and Oregon in a week’s time, and then the final primaries in Puerto Rico, Montana and South Dakota on the 1st and 3rd of June. Not that the outcome will make much difference. Neptune will just start to move again during these final 2 primaries, ushering in a new phase.

In her natal chart, Hillary has stationing Uranus. So she is sensitive to this planet stationing, and this can help time events. Uranus will be just starting to station in early June. And on 4th June, the Moon will conjoin, and so trigger, her natal Uranus. This is suitably the day after the final primary. So the astrology and the events tie in together to give this date.


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6 comments:

dawa satso said...

Dharmarucci, that's an excellent assessment of HC's bailing 6-3. It would seem she already knows the insurmountable odds she now faces. (partial thanks to her husband Bill deliberately sabotaging her every step of the way, who has venus, mars, neptune in her 12th house). She knows she can't win...unless...some major spin destroys the race for Obama. I think that is what she's hoping for.
Since these two were the only two items on the menu for the last 24 months, to me, it is like dreaming you're dreaming.
Since we have to work with what we've got, Obama certainly will do two things of utmost importance: get us out of endless ME wars (except for fortifying Israel no matter what which is worrying) and prosecuting the devils of the last 8 years, which HC will NOT do which makes her one of those devils.
I wish Obama would adopt her healthcare plan, and help the young with higher education in a more meaningful way than 4,000 bucks for each year spent in National Service (scarey prospect what will happen to our kids once the repugs hijack the gov't again, since they Don't Let Go at the end of contracts and may use them instead like the Nazi Youth).

Hey, other than that everything's fine and safe as a church picnic.

Anonymous said...

with all due respect, Dharmaruchi, I worry that we not accept the end of this race (or the entire US presidential race) as a foregone conclusion. There are many interesting twists and turns still suggested by the astrology. A US pundit, theoretically neutral (of course) was asked what Obama's biggest obstacles were; he replied that Barak did not win a single of the largest states' primaries. ! yes, folks, not a one. And if Hillary hasn't been able to "close the deal", neither has Barak.

of course, my biggest self-admitted bias is this: would they ask the man to drop out if Hillary were ahead? I can't help feeling that all the pundits just want this uppity, b#t@hy woman to just sit down and shut up.

arden

dawa satso said...

Anonymous, yes definitely Obama would be asked to bow out if he didn't have the delegates.
The problem is bringing this too close to the convention where the nominee might be a)tied up in fighting legal schtick which would b)weaken the race for the dems which would not allow the time needed for the nominee to gain traction and momentum against the repugs.
This is Howard Dean's point, who wants this resolved by 6-3 and no later so we can focus on 'the' dem nominee. Also if this goes on too long the idea of a Brokered dem candidate is a waste of the time and money of each candidate. Not to mention an opportunity for the repugs to go after a dem party so indecisive and weak they're ripe for an opportune pounding.

So, I think the Hillary as bitch pov is unwarranted. To me these considerations are just practical.

Anonymous said...

I'm sooting for 2012 - coz we all the dead by the end if it.
How do you quit 50% of the country?

matt said...

"Illinois Senator wins enough delegates to beat Hillary Clinton and become first black American presidential candidate"

The Times 4th June 2008....

"And on 4th June, the Moon will conjoin, and so trigger, her natal Uranus. This is suitably the day after the final primary. So the astrology and the events tie in together to give this date."

DR 13 may 2008

Pretty spot on eh!

Dharmaruci said...

I think I'm probably kind of right. It seems she has effectively conceded as of today, but is not saying so until she has used her position to negotiate a strong future for herself in the Democratic Party and the possible administration. Which will probably take a few days.