So I thought it might be worth taking a look at the US Solar Return for this year, using the Sibly Chart. This chart is based on a symbolic time for the Declaration of Independence, but it seems to work well. I have this theory that if you use a particular chart long enough for a person or a country, then it becomes the actual chart, even if the birth time is open to question. Somehow the two merge, gradually we learn to read the person’s character accurately through that particular set of tea-leaves, even though it may be the ‘wrong’ set of leaves. This is because astrology is one of the divinatory arts, where everything can be read in anything, if you know how to do it: the microcosm always contains the macrocosm, you can see the world in a grain of sand.
Anyway, let’s first see if the Sibly Solar Return works as a method. Here is the chart for 1974, the year which revolved around Nixon’s resignation.
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The Sun (leader) conjunct Saturn (he is constrained and accountable) square Pluto (loses power) in the 12th House (he is in disgrace, outside of the usual bounds of society). Moon in Capricorn (the people) opposite MC (they oppose the leadership.) The Moon also refers to Nixon because his Sun in Cap conjoins that Moon. Moon and MC square to Uranus Rising – sudden change in the leadership, and a lot of instability generally for the country.
I read the Sun as the leader, and the MC as the institution of leadership/the government. So Uranus square the MC suggests it was an upset for the whole institution of leadership in the US, which indeed it was.
Now we’ll look at 2001. This year revolved around the 9/11 attacks.
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We see a conjunction of Pluto (terrorist)-Mars (attack) in Sagittarius (foreigners) in the 7th House (Open Enemies). Spot on. The fact that Mars-Pluto is in the House of Open Enemies and in the sign of foreigners is a strong astrological indicator that it was, after all, a bunch of Arabs who proudly and openly admitted to it, rather than a secret government plot, which would be an 8th House event, the House of Secret Enemies.
The government was caught asleep (Neptune conjunct Midheaven), but used the event to create its own illusions (Neptune conjunct Midheaven again) and a surge in popularity (Venus conjunct Asc). The leader (Bush, who’s natal Sun conjoins the US Sun) was in strong relationship with the people (Sun opposite Moon). But this hard aspect also suggests the relationship was not entirely healthy, that in fact he was going against their real interests. The Sun is in the 2nd (Bush asserting his own values, which one expects of a leader) opposite the Moon in Capricorn (fear, control) in the 8th (control, manipulation). Of course these are my value judgements colouring my interpretation of the Moon’s placement, but you can read Bush playing on people’s fears into this placement.
The Sun-Moon opposition conjoins the nodal axis, so there is something very significant here in the relationship between leader and people. You could say it was a defining moment: the American people will be able to look back and see that democracy alone is not enough to protect you from the manipulations, the playing on fears, of a demagogue. (For a good novel on this theme, see Philip Roth’s ‘The Plot against America’.)
So the Sibly Solar Return (SR) seems to work as a method. And the 2008 Return looks like another strong one, because Pluto in Sagittarius is conjoining the Ascendant. Astrology apart, it looks to me like the year will revolve around the election of Barack Obama as President.
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Taking the 3 main parts of the chart – the Sun, the Moon and the Angles – the Sun is by definition in its natal position by sign and degree. The Angles are all in their natal signs, which is interesting, and the Moon is unaspected in Leo in the 8th. You could read this as the people (Moon) engaging in soul-searching and acknowledging past mistakes (8th) to create a new sense of identity (Leo), and in some ways reconnecting to what they used to be (Angles same sign as natally). With Pluto on the ASC there is a deep transformational journey for the USA to go through, after losing its way in the Bush years, but also due to the economic moment of truth that is arriving on the West’s doorstep. This journey involves beliefs (Sagittarius) as well as aspirations and ideals (Pluto rules the 11th in the SR chart). The Plutonic, transformational tone of this chart is also emphasised by the Mars-Saturn conjunction in the 8th, trine to Pluto.
The chart ruler, Jupiter, is in opposition to the Sun. Natally Jupiter conjoins the Sun, and expresses American buoyancy and optimism and sense of expansion, as well as the sense of purpose the country acquires through continuous expansion (Sag Rising gives a similar theme). But in the SR chart we have Jupiter in Capricorn opposite the Sun, which to me indicates a reality check on that continuous expansion, particularly American beliefs about it. This theme is repeated more strongly by Pluto conjunct Sag Asc.
So I think that there is going to be a serious questioning of the dogma of endless expansion. This is such a fundamental belief in America, that it becomes clearer why we saw that search for identity earlier in the reading through the Moon in Leo in the 8th. That Moon was unaspected, so it may not be an easy journey: America may feel at sea for a while about who she is, what she believes. With natal Sun conjunct Jupiter and Sag Rising, beliefs are at the core of the US sense of identity, and it is precisely these that are being called into question over the next year.
In the SR chart, we also see Uranus square to the Pluto/ASC. The next big outer planet transit is the cardinal square from Uranus to Pluto, which will be exact in 4 years time. So this wider, mutable Uranus-Pluto square in the SR chart is a sign of things to come, it will give a foretaste, for those with eyes to see, of the bigger changes coming in a few years time. It also means that the transformational journey around beliefs of 2008-9 will be taking America reluctantly (square) into the future (Uranus), and in ways we cannot predict (Uranus).
The Sun is in the 7th House of partnerships conjunct Venus. So I think we will see America starting to become more popular again (Venus) with other countries. The Sun and Venus are opposite Jupiter in Cap, so this improved popularity will occur particularly if she is more practical and realistic (Cap) in her self-appointed mission (1st House Jupiter).
Mars is conjunct Saturn in Virgo, so we are likely to see more military restraint, consideration and responsibility, and a renewed sense of service to the world (Virgo), the US more genuinely as a peacekeeper.
The single element of the chart that jumps out most to me is Pluto conjunct Asc. Here are a couple of extracts from Lynda Hill’s book on the Sabian symbols as applying to these 2 points.
Asc at 26th degree of Sag. Image: A Flag Bearer in Battle
"Nowadays the Flag Bearer can be anybody with an issue to stand up for, to represent or promote. The issue can be anything from a worthy cause to political issues… All these may attract flack from outside pressure. You may feel that achievements have been made that should be acknowledged in some way. It could be that duties and responsibilities have been piling up on you lately, and the struggle has not been easy. Don’t worry, although people around you are probably busy, they are most likely noticing your leadership abilities. You could be the linchpin of the whole situation. It takes guts to get out front, putting yourself directly in the firing line, but it may be time for you, or somebody near you, to go for it and stand up for what you believe."
Pluto at 30th degree of Sag Image: The Pope Blessing the Faithful
"There is often a need to create or assign someone as the physical representation of what is believed on the spiritual plane. This person of authority performs actions that give our beliefs a feeling of reality and draws the community together. When you do things that are true to your inner self there is a feeling of connection to a higher power. This feeling is like a Blessing and is a reminder of the spiritual purpose of life. In a group situation, it may be that someone in the group needs to take on the role of spiritual representative, and reward the group with his/her words of wisdom and experience. This will help maintain their focus, motivation and faith in what they are trying to achieve."
22 comments:
There is one glaring assumption that you make in declaring 911 a non conspiratorial event, which is that the powers that be don't understand and use astrology in staging their mega events designed to control and influence public opinion in a particular direction.
The alacrity with which Bush used 911 to direct US policy towards a fake war on terrorism which can never be won (just like the war on drugs) and actual wars of hegemonic control of the middle east is too suspicious for words. Without 911 how could he have justified these wars. He's not bright enough to be such a sharp strategist, so it could only have been planned in some way. Probably not planted bombs, more like deliberately ignoring the available secret service intelligence about the bombers, letting them hijack those planes and refusing to scramble defensive jets in time to prevent the attacks. The whole thing stinks to high heaven.
OK, so you reckon elective astrology can be used to make something look like something other than it is.
That's an interesting question. Because unless astrology is just an elaborate game, the chart they elect to use will still be real, you can't get away from the actual forces present in the chart. They will still apply.
So, for example, how do you explain Mars-Pluto in Sag in the 7th?
I think Bush was always a warmonger in search of a war, he just had to wait for the opportunity, I don't think it was that hard to come up with a scapegoat after 9/11.
Another perspective on mars/pluto/sag/7th could be a controlling, possibly ruthless foreign partner. I could go on from there....
I didn't think the USA was in the habit of having partners who are anything other than distinctly subordinate?
Not the way a lot of people see it...and could be interpreted as Israel...a complicated, very weird and most likely complicit on some level with all of these politics, relationship. Or, in typical plutonian manner, contractual relationships / allies that are pulling strings from behind the scenes….
Just beware of calling anything "proof" of anything, dr, unless it's the family silver pouring out of your guest's coat sleeve.
So much about 9/11 has been slammed into secrecy by our US government, and they stand in front of the bolted door insisting there is nothing at all to see here, please move on.
There are wheels within wheels on this one. People have been doing charts on 9/11 since noon of that day, and more than one have reached the conclusion opposite yours - using the same data.
In Fahrenheit 9/11, Michael Moore points to the incredible amount of influence Saudi Arabia has in the USA. Could Saudi Arabia qualify as a controlling, possibly ruthless foreign partner?
On another subject, in the SR chart for 2008, what jumps out at me is the T-Square between Pluto in Sadge in the 1st house, Uranus in Pisces in the 4th, and Mercury in Gemini in the 6th-almost-7th. The image that comes strongly into my mind is a scene in the novel 1984, by George Orwell, when posters promoting one ally come down in the middle of a political rally and are immediately replaced by ones promoting a different ally who was previously an enemy. The speaker who is rallying the crowd abruptly changes his rhetoric to reflect this shift in alliance, with no acknowledgment that anything has changed.
This T-Square looks to me like an abrupt change in rhetoric about who the enemy is. It's chilling, especially with Neptune confusing communication in the 3rd.
I'm aware that this is a subject where neither 'side' is going to persuade the other! But that doesn't mean I don't enjoying gnawing at this particular bone..
Yes Yeshe choden, I should probably have put proof in inverted commas, I assumed it would be read that way anyway, because you can't 'prove' things that way with astrology.
It's interesting, though, this is a good example of how astrology can be convincingly used to 'prove' either side of an argument. Dodgy technique, astrology!
My main criticism of the conspiracists, I suppose, is lack of proper investigation around evidence that doesn't fit their case. Whereas I have seen a number of investigations into the conspiracists that look closely at their claims - e.g. the claimed lack of airliner wreckage at the Pentagon - and this is patently not true.
The reason I keep gnawing this bone is that I quite like the idea of some of these claims being true. So I'm not in principle anti. But I keep finding this lack of respect for, even lack of interest in, physical evidence, along with insinuations that those who don't go with the conspiracy claims are somehow naive, they are not looking very deeply. And also, of course, a strong NEED to believe shines through. I'm talking generally here, rather than specifically about any of the above comments!
Dharmaruci, I sincerely hope you get a copy of Eric Hofstedter's book, Painful Questions, and decide for yourself. Arguing about which 'side' is more sane or objective is exactly the kind of thing a conspirator would have you do. Although it sounds like you've done some research, I think you haven't done enough.
You say you'd like to think that a conspiracy is true. I'm sorry to report that I don't believe you. I think you're more interested in feeling intelligent and detached about it all. Well, it isn't a calm, objective subject for those of us who are living under this bizarre government; it's horrifying.
This certainly is not the first time an American administration has pulled a deception that caused serious emotional and physical damage (examples: assassinating JFK; pretending they didn't know Pearl Harbor was about to happen). I just hope and pray that it's the first time they DON'T get away with it.
I guess it's cute to point out how astrology can be used to prove anything. Interesting, yes. But do you think you could choose a different issue to explore such a topic? Please excuse the comparison, but i wonder if a child told you he'd been sexually abused by an adult, you'd pick apart his testimony and theories to debunk them? Maybe you'd ask him a question one way and then ask it another way to prove that he's an unreliable witness?
I wonder whether you get it that we are BEWILDERED here. We are being completely taken advantage of by our government, and we don't know what to do about it. We may not have all the facts exactly right, but we know that something is gravely wrong. There are many things fishy and scary going on here, of which 9/11 is just one.
9/11 has had a significant amount of double-talk around it from the government. There's also plenty of evidence that buildings like that simply could not have collapsed from fire and jet fuel. Does a mistake about wreckage at the Pentagon negate these facts?
Please, i request that you 1) do more research, and 2) stop using the abuse Americans are experiencing as primarily an opportunity for intellectual gymnastics.
Exploitation IS occurring. Expecting the exploited to know exactly what's happening to them before you believe them is cold and irresponsible. I resent it.
Hi DR,
I just wanted to let you know how much I enjoy reading your blog.
For your 9/11 Solar Return analysis, I would only mention that Venus rules the 8th house of death in the Sibly chart. Venus conj the Ascendant in a double air sign (multiple deaths from the air) speaks volumes.
Best wishes,
Nina
I guess I've been feeling exactly the same thing that Kenna has expressed but too inhibited to be so honest, and I do appreciate the honesty.
That said, thanks for all the other brilliant writing that you do, although I'm not taking the bait any more on this one :)
I don't call it intellectual gymnastics to insist that claims have evidence. It's simply a matter of intelligence and integrity.
But it did occur to me that Brits have a very different relationship with their government than the Americans do.
It strikes me that for many Americans - and I may be wrong - your government is perceived as inherently corrupt and untrustworthy to a degree we do not have in the UK. So if something like 9/11 occurs, then for you OF COURSE the government was doing something deeply dodgy around it, because it seems to you to be in its character to do so, you don't need 'evidence', and any other viewpoint seems like game-playing.
Now it may be that the US government is untrustworthy to a degree which it is hard for a Brit to appreciate. But what I also think is that Americans find it very hard to deal with their government's untrustworthiness, they can go to extremes with it and end up not trusting anything.
That is what I think it going on, it is widespread, and seems to Americans like it is straightforward reality. I think it is a kind of political adolescence. OF COURSE your government is going to let you down and betray you, just like parents do eventually. That is just the nature of things, and part of the process is to see that, and so stop feeling so hurt by it, and see it as human, and recognise the ways in which the government - even Bush's - is not all bad.
So that is what I think a lot of conspiracy theory is about - it's a kind of adolescence, an inability to deal with the inevitable betrayals that governments get up to, and a consequent demonisation of them.
Jessica Murray deals well with this adolescence in her book 'Soul-Sick Nation'.
Hi Nina, it was nice to read your comment in the middle of that scrum!
I make it that Cancer is on the 8th House cusp in the natal Sibly? And Sag is on the 8th House Cusp in the 2001 Return chart?
I guess you could say Jupiter in airy Gemini rules the 8th in the 2001 SR chart. And Jupiter is crucial in the natal Sibly, being chart ruler, exalted and conjunct Sun. So multiple (Jupiter) deaths (8th) from the Air (Gemini) motivated by religion (Jupiter)?
Hi DR,
My mistake - I saw the Solar return chart and thought it was the natal!
Your commentary certainly makes sense.
I would point out this, also; note that the solar return chart falls on a lunar eclipse, which is always a bad omen. The Moon generally symbolizes the people, so when they are eclipsed, and in the sign of their detriment (Capricorn), and in the 8th house of death, things are not going well for them.
Best wishes,
Nina
There is a rational middle ground to be found in all of this, which is to question everything. Question the motives of governments and authorities in addition to those of the conspiracy peddlers. These people often aren't just out to dig up and share the truth. Some are making lucrative careers out of other people's fears.
And most importantly to question the inner motives of both those who believe every conspiracy going as well of those who refuse to examine the facts as they stand no matter how suspicious the scenario.
Doing so can provide immense insight into the darker reaches of the human psyche.
So what do you get when society as a whole no longer believes in the ubiquity of demons and the unassailable powers of the devil? You get people believing in all powerful evil lizards beings that rule the world.
If any of you saw the original broadcast, you would remember that there were small puffs coming out of the sides of the building prior collapsing. In a number of video views that have been cut out, one could also see exact sideways- horizontal explosive particles being disbursed.
Also were did all the Gold that was supposed to be in the faults of France, Goldman Sachs and Co. have gone to!? The firefighters did not find a smudgerin.
Yes, yes, yes! Most recent anonymous, you are right on. I sincerely wish all these people who think the conspiracy theory is preposterous would really spend more time researching it. They remind me of people who dismiss astrology without ever studying it to see whether or not it works. And "studying it" doesn't just mean looking for all the possible holes or ways it could be wrong, it means really trying it on. Please, read Eric Hofstedter's book!
Ach, i made a mistake in the author's name. Here's the correct information:
Author: Eric Hufschmid
(NOT Hofstedter)
Title: Painful Questions
Just try it, please. He's obviously a bit of a weirdo, and he's not right about everything he says, but he does a great job organising evidence in a way that's easy to understand. He's good at asking questions in many different directions for each situation. I'll bet he asks at least one question that genuinely gets your interest.
Here's the URL to get the book:
http://www.erichufschmid.net/PainfulQuestionsBook.html
Hi Kenna, I followed your link back to Eric Hufschmid's homepage, which is headed by the quote:
"Our enemy is the global Jewish crime network, not the CIA or the Globalists."
I found that slightly off-putting! I think that it's unwise to place too much trust in what people with this sort of mindset say.
Hufschmid also says some completely batty things, in the last chapter of his book, regarding the healthcare JFK received after being shot. He doesn't know everything. But his collation of evidence about 9/11 is very good. I sincerely hope you will look further.
If you are truly interested in simple facts and intelligent questions, then the conclusions Hufschmid comes to personally can't scare you off. Trusting him has nothing to do with it.
The trouble is, when you think someone might have a screw loose you have to check every simple 'fact' they come up with! Because 'simple facts' often prove not to be so when you look further.
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