tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30912075.post1499616910442311436..comments2024-01-03T17:02:06.646+00:00Comments on ASTROTABLETALK: CHIRON and SUPERHEROESBarry Goddardhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10050835957098177925noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30912075.post-58490287328452109872018-02-08T22:24:41.404+00:002018-02-08T22:24:41.404+00:00But the wound if being separated from your biologi...But the wound if being separated from your biological parents is deep. Padmasambhava. Set off vulnerable. Maybe the wound can be bypassed by bodhicitta, for the benefit of all beings as you can't hang your ancestral hat on biological lineage.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30912075.post-79090895417875453662009-11-12T15:57:31.799+00:002009-11-12T15:57:31.799+00:00Great blog lot's of useful information, keep u...Great blog lot's of useful information, keep up the good work if you would like some more resources you should visit the <a href="http://www.buyviagra.cx" rel="nofollow">Buy Viagra</a> locations great stuff!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30912075.post-48576504785148037952007-10-23T23:11:00.000+01:002007-10-23T23:11:00.000+01:00I have to dispute the lumping of Chiron in with th...I have to dispute the lumping of Chiron in with the rest of the Centaurs. The mythological Centaurs were descended from Ixion and shared Dionysian qualities of drunken and boorish behavior. Chiron was the son of a linking of Saturn and Philyra who turned herself into a mare in an attempt to escape the lustful Saturn which is why Chiron emerged as half horse. He is a Centaur only in form but not in geneaology.<BR/><BR/>I deal with Chiron a great deal in my practice and in my experience the wound of Chiron is most visible when it is involved in hard angle aspects. The softer aspects bring more of a quality of wisdom and I like this hero archetype.<BR/><BR/>The connection with Superman is particularly interesting in light of the woundedness of George Reeves who played him on television and had a square of Saturn in Gemini to Chiron in Pisces.Lynn Hayeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00465252614140213164noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30912075.post-5319657523650369172007-10-22T23:44:00.000+01:002007-10-22T23:44:00.000+01:00Hello Astrotabletalk, I've got Chiron c. MC squari...Hello Astrotabletalk, I've got Chiron c. MC squaring Jupiter and opposing Mars. Neptune and Chiron are going to hit it soon. Guess that's when I get my Kryptonite.<BR/><BR/>I really enjoy reading your blog.Out The Comet's Asshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08159496465107887198noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30912075.post-32425221548377832462007-10-17T00:02:00.000+01:002007-10-17T00:02:00.000+01:00Of course, I should have mentioned that in paralle...Of course, I should have mentioned that in parallel to the strong sexuality I associate with Chiron, there are also difficulties in that area.<BR/><BR/>For instance one man I knew with Chiron rising exuded a powerful and magnetic sexuality had terrible problems with impotence. Another woman with a close Sun Chiron conjunct in Sagittarius was also extremely magnetic and wild with a regal, haughty presence. Yet she was a truly tormented soul and extremely ill at ease in her body and sexuality. The emmphasis was none the less there. <BR/><BR/>Another transexual friend has Chiron/Venus/Saturn/Moon/Mercury in Pisces in the 10th opposite Uranus/Pluto in the 4th (quite a doozy!!). It goes without saying she has extreme issues with her body and sexuality/has been a sex worker and sex is central to her life but is fraught with difficulty. <BR/><BR/>This is because the wound is in the centuar/beast aspect of the Chironian.Vivienehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12995888380572521681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30912075.post-86570583183513329802007-10-16T22:34:00.000+01:002007-10-16T22:34:00.000+01:00Yes, I find Chiron a very interesting influence in...Yes, I find Chiron a very interesting influence indeed. My Sun in Gemini/4th house is basically unaspected - having only a septile to my Jupiter/Uranus conjunction and a tight trine to my Chiron in Aquarius/12th house.<BR/><BR/>So when there aren't many players on the team you do become acutely aware of those who are there. I can definitely feel that septile and the Chiron influence.<BR/><BR/>The Chiron aspect relates very much to my father who was murdered when I was 11. A lot of pain there obviously, and he was very much a Chironian figure. Good looking, charismatic, irreverant etc but also wounded. He was a psychologist in the Army for a while, and I suspect that after he left he continued to work as an undercover agent for ASIO. Before he went to London (where he met his fate) he told my mother he had been present the night of the notorious and still unsolved Bogle-Chandler murder - which was politically motivated. <BR/><BR/>I think he was murdered because of things he knew. I have researched the matter extensively but the truth will always be shrouded in mystery. My mother and he were estranged from when I was 4 years old and I hardly ever saw him. Mum hated him because of his womanising and drinking habits,quite understandably.Vivienehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12995888380572521681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30912075.post-86633798324493384462007-10-16T11:21:00.000+01:002007-10-16T11:21:00.000+01:00Thanks Darren, Viviene and Pat - really interestin...Thanks Darren, Viviene and Pat - really interesting bunch of comments. I've got Sun conjunct Chiron in Aquarius, so it's useful stuff for me personally.Barry Goddardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10050835957098177925noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30912075.post-25682980543677822592007-10-16T07:41:00.000+01:002007-10-16T07:41:00.000+01:00Oops, that should have been "horary astrology."Oops, that should have been "horary astrology."Pathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12268302142831149030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30912075.post-61726410117738748122007-10-16T07:39:00.000+01:002007-10-16T07:39:00.000+01:00"Underlying savage eroticism?" I have a quite clos..."Underlying savage eroticism?" I have a quite close Sun-Chiron conjunction (12/13 degrees Aquarius) but somehow missed out on that bit of fun. Then, Aquarius isn't one of the sexier signs...<BR/><BR/>Otherwise, I really appreciate Elwell's comments. I missed the flag on Top 10, so thanks for the follow-up, DR. Aquarius that I am, I always like to hear alternative views, especially when they're well-argued. I started reading Elwell just recently after discovering an online article in which he advocates ditching the old, stuffy rules of horary astrologer. I'm totally with him on that!Pathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12268302142831149030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30912075.post-31128912345421154092007-10-16T00:45:00.000+01:002007-10-16T00:45:00.000+01:00Thanks Darren – for the link to that interesting e...Thanks Darren – for the link to that interesting essay on Chiron. I am very much in accord with his view of Chiron as a ‘maverick’, an agent provocateur and a rebel. He is an outsider with a deeply cynical view of both the establishment AND the opposition. An ability to think laterally comes naturally when you are not bound by convention, and hence Chiron can be pretty left field.<BR/><BR/>In my experience Chiron’s healing ability also partakes of these qualities. It puts me in mind of Jack Nicholson’s role in One Flew over the Cuckoo’s Nest, where he brings in the girls and the booze and ultimately takes them out on that wild crazy boat ride which brings about his own downfall (or wounding). <BR/><BR/>In the process he goes a long way towards a genuine healing of some of the inmates, through his own unconventional and irreverent methods. Chiron is not a boring holier than thou New Age healer! He is wild, charismatic crazy and exciting. I have noticed strong Chiron links in synastry – which I think indicate a sexual attraction. Chiron is nothing if not sexual. Those centaurs liked to get on the p*ss and have a wild old time didn’t they? Wicked!Vivienehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12995888380572521681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30912075.post-4263862341773602392007-10-16T00:00:00.000+01:002007-10-16T00:00:00.000+01:00The fact that Chiron is half-centaur is key imo. ...The fact that Chiron is half-centaur is key imo. Centaurs are mythical creatures and not subject to the same laws as mere mortals. <BR/><BR/>There is an inherent savagery to Chiron in my observation of those who have a strong Chironian element to their chart - even if this is not immediately apparent. I do see this as arising from the wounded and sometimes frightened animal which is part of the Chiron legacy. <BR/><BR/>I have seen this particularly in those with Chiron rising or conjunct Sun. There is wisdom, healing ability and charisma but also an underlying savage eroticism. <BR/><BR/>Certainly they are not bound by convention and often have very subversive and radical viewpoints. All imho of course.Vivienehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12995888380572521681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30912075.post-45845404960588864782007-10-15T21:31:00.000+01:002007-10-15T21:31:00.000+01:00I do think Chiron has something to do with going b...I do think Chiron has something to do with going beyond the limits of the possible. Also around the time of its discovery (1977) we not only had Superman, but the launch of the Supersonic jet concorde. It was also the era in which the self-improvement movement took off, with books like Super-learning, Super-memory etc. In other news in that year, Voyager, the first man-made object to leave our solar system, was launched (beyond previous limits). We also made the discovery that life was not limited to the sunlight-based ecosystem, but could survive totally independently around the hydrothermal vents in the pitch black depths of the oceans. A major discovery as it ultimately shows life could be way more abundent in the universe if its not limited to photosynthesis ecosystems.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30912075.post-7598371396394957602007-10-15T21:25:00.000+01:002007-10-15T21:25:00.000+01:00Have you seen this essay Elwell wrote on the subje...Have you seen this essay Elwell wrote on the subject:<BR/><BR/>http://tinyurl.com/ycbxrd<BR/><BR/>Also, have you read his book 'Cosmic Loom'? Its really good.<BR/><BR/>Incidentally, notice how around the time Chiron was discovered, the Superman films were released. I always saw Batman as more Pluto-themed. Power, transformation, the shaddows. Many people see the 1989 Tim Burton Batman film as the definitive one. It has a really dark gothic 1930s look to it. And was, of course, made and released when pluto was in Scorpio.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com