tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30912075.post8874989989598141669..comments2024-01-03T17:02:06.646+00:00Comments on ASTROTABLETALK: Saturn's RemedyBarry Goddardhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10050835957098177925noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30912075.post-51629970231073146002013-05-11T05:53:08.825+01:002013-05-11T05:53:08.825+01:00I feel a bit deja vu, responding to your Saturn po...I feel a bit deja vu, responding to your Saturn post....the Pluto was a dozzie...anyhow...mmm<br />Venus and Saturn, I'm not convinced. As the first commenter said, the practical reality is not so teleological nor pedigogical...the two planets are pretty incompatible really, particularly in square aspect. (BTW do you have Venus/Saturn natally?) Venus needs to flow, to be natural, of the 'essence' if you like, Saturn is boundaries and restrictions and socially regulated value. Saturn definitely restricts Venus, particularly in close relationships. I have seen the aspect work somewhat positively when the person is in business. Then it seems to underscore all their interactions with people, but nevertheless it still gives a coldness and calculating feeling to all relationships. Like someone has sat down and worked out a productivity assessment on each interaction. More personally it just denies relationship, Venus is a social planet, it is about giving and receiving affection and warmth, Saturn, as you said, is master of interiority and self-sufficiency, hard work and discipline. If you apply that to Venus, you are more likely to kill it than to 'mature' it. Too many restrictions and obstacles and boundaries and lack of social acceptance and lack of opportunity and Venus just disappears, or gives up. Again, you can express Venus/Saturn in the arts (learning technique etc) or business, but you're going to need some really positive Jupiter/Venus aspects and transits to kick start something romantic and overcome the Saturn influence initially. Of course I have it natally (or I wouldn't be writing this), with Saturn sitting proudly in the 7th, and it's no picnic...it's more like a cancelled event :-). I get a bit mad when people talk about learning Saturn's lessons....sometimes Saturn just says 'No, you can't have that', which , when it comes to Venus, is not a very palatable thing to learn.<br />One final point...talking about an ensouled world, I think you have to acknowledge that if the outer world is ensouled, then other beings and nature itself has agency, and therefore not everything that happens to us is projection. If our values (Venus) are different to the outer values of society (Saturn) then Saturnian figures will pass judgement upon us. We won't gain the rewards or acceptance available to those with more mainstream values. there will be structural boundaries to our outer success. Enough for now :-)clarelhdmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08792875524089684872noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30912075.post-63337274521396313122013-05-10T11:31:14.315+01:002013-05-10T11:31:14.315+01:00Interesting view on Saturn. I want to re-read Char...Interesting view on Saturn. I want to re-read Chardin's "The Human Phenomenon" while having a spoon full of Saturn's Remedy!<br />Yea, that would do fine (At least for now)<br />Cheers,<br />NicNicnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30912075.post-3469633102995614942013-05-08T17:13:22.598+01:002013-05-08T17:13:22.598+01:00I have Venus sq Saturn natally and have dealt with...I have Venus sq Saturn natally and have dealt with all the typical unfortunate qualities of that for most of my life. However, as I get older I am just beginning to feel that aspect maturing a little and becoming more positive. The solar eclipse tomorrow is conjunct my Saturn in the 5th house (and square my Venus, of course) so that should be interesting!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com