tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30912075.post3419614486929797938..comments2024-01-03T17:02:06.646+00:00Comments on ASTROTABLETALK: The Source of the US Sibly Chart; the US 2nd July ChartBarry Goddardhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10050835957098177925noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30912075.post-85810481410425965372009-01-03T19:37:00.000+00:002009-01-03T19:37:00.000+00:00Hi Dharmaruci, regarding your comment about how we...Hi Dharmaruci, regarding your comment about how we read charts and it not being an exact science, I thought you might be interested in an article by Liz Greene on astro.com 'How we read charts is how we view life'.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30912075.post-1552224524416498762009-01-02T16:29:00.000+00:002009-01-02T16:29:00.000+00:00Gemini rising chart would be better if Moon and Me...Gemini rising chart would be better if Moon and Mercury were in a tighter opposition, a different timing would fix that, but yes, it has a lot going for it, Uranus on the ascendant is very apt.<BR/><BR/><BR/>I still prefer your Scorpio rising 2 July one though. Scorpio rising fits the paranoid-ness I sense from Americans in general, their patriotic intensity, and it has the tight opposition as well.<BR/>:-)Twilighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14138621610593773784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30912075.post-34003728120398183312009-01-02T13:25:00.000+00:002009-01-02T13:25:00.000+00:00Also, Nicholas Campion is a historian, and has jus...Also, Nicholas Campion is a historian, and has just published a history of western astrology from 30,000 BCE to the 17th century. So he is not just a modern astrologer. Let's see what he says!Barry Goddardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10050835957098177925noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30912075.post-68577532221836684962009-01-02T13:20:00.000+00:002009-01-02T13:20:00.000+00:00Hello Yuzuru,OK. Sounds like I'd better email Nich...Hello Yuzuru,<BR/><BR/>OK. Sounds like I'd better email Nicholas Campion and ask him for a source for what he says! He seems to think "it is entirely consistent with medieval tradition."Barry Goddardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10050835957098177925noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30912075.post-3512138526967006142009-01-02T01:10:00.000+00:002009-01-02T01:10:00.000+00:00That I am aware of, Nicholas Campion is a modern a...That I am aware of, Nicholas Campion is a modern astrologer...<BR/><BR/>There a lot of aspects of medieval and traditional astrology that we are not already aware of. That doesn´t mean that I, as an traditional astrologer, can´t recognize an absurd when I hear it. It is a very simple matter... you use the planets in the ingress, simple, you don´t use the angles of the ingress and the planets of another. It doesn´t even make sense.<BR/><BR/>But it is your right to believe what you want. I just put my warning on the comment to any sincere student who may be mislead to think that such nonsense is traditional astrology.yuzuruhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13690259763179863019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30912075.post-80897413740494783492009-01-01T19:31:00.000+00:002009-01-01T19:31:00.000+00:00Yuzuru, I don't know the rules of traditonal astro...Yuzuru, I don't know the rules of traditonal astrology, but Nicholas Campion is a good scholar, and he wouldn't have given weight to Susan Manuel's paper without good reason.<BR/><BR/>So I think there may be aspects of medieval and traditional astrology you aren't aware of?<BR/><BR/>Interesting expression - 'absurd crime'!<BR/><BR/>Twilight, how about the Gemini Rising Chart for the constant dichotomies? That chart is symbolically derived, using Uranus as the ruling planet of the Declaration, so putting it on the Asc.Barry Goddardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10050835957098177925noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30912075.post-62318330034528351572009-01-01T18:55:00.000+00:002009-01-01T18:55:00.000+00:00I think the 2 July chart just feels right. I focu...I think the 2 July chart just feels right. I focus on the opposition between Moon/Pluto and Mercury, it seems to me to symbolise the constant dichotomies arising here.<BR/>I know divisons arise in all countries, but in the USA they really are a way of life. <BR/>Divide and sub-divide, then divide again!Twilighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14138621610593773784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30912075.post-33486517170079532042009-01-01T18:16:00.000+00:002009-01-01T18:16:00.000+00:00In the arabic and medieval tradition, from Mashala...In the arabic and medieval tradition, from Mashalah and Abumashar to Bonnati, you would drawn several charts, like the Great conjunctions, eclipses and ingress.<BR/><BR/>You would also never drawn a chart for "the birth of a country". The ancients had a more sophisticated political view in this point: they looked for the chart of the beginning of the religion that founded the laws of that country. Then they would look for the chart of the beginning of the dinasty.<BR/><BR/>For example, for the USA, astrologers who use medieval and arabic tradition take the aries ingress in 1789 as the base chart.<BR/><BR/>Not in any moment of history or any traditional author, anybody at any time commited the absurd crime of taking the angles of an ingress and then "put the planets of the day".<BR/><BR/>So, to warn visitors not familiar with medieval astrology, this is an invention of an astrologer who probably didn´t grasp, or didn´t care to fully understand, the rules of traditional astrology, and thought that it could invent the music while he was singing it, creating a chimera.yuzuruhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13690259763179863019noreply@blogger.com