tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30912075.post7863675121218761918..comments2024-01-03T17:02:06.646+00:00Comments on ASTROTABLETALK: ASTROLOGY AND SCIENCEBarry Goddardhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10050835957098177925noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30912075.post-88815620808244113162007-08-21T05:07:00.000+01:002007-08-21T05:07:00.000+01:00I think the reason so many people in English-based...I think the reason so many people in English-based culture have a problem with Astrology is that the English language forces you always to think in cause and effect. It is very difficult to express correlations in English without implying that something is causing something else. This fact is exploited by those who use science as marketing propaganda!<BR/><BR/>There are other languages wherein cause and effect play a far less prominent role. For example, i have read that in Japanese you don't say, "I see the cat," but rather, "I, the cat, seeing." If you grew up thinking this way, i think you would have the mental space to handle correlations better.<BR/><BR/>Astrology is really just a series of correlations. No serious astrologer i've talked to actually believes that the physical orb out in space that we call Saturn CAUSES duties, lack, and lessons in your life. It's simply a limitation of the language that we find ourselves saying it that way. <BR/><BR/>One astrologer explained it this lovely way to me: The apparent positions of the planets are a model for how particular energies shift over time. The natal horoscope is like a photograph of where these energies were inside YOU at your birth, and so the planetary transits show us how these energies are likely to be shifting within YOU over time.<BR/><BR/>As i understand it, those who study the behavior of electrons have had to start using "unscientific" words for types of electrons. For example, there is a type of electron called a "cute" electron. Why aren't the astrology debunkers also attacking quantum physicists for being so foolish? I mean, how can a baby and an electron both be cute? Surely the physicists have no idea what they're talking about, if they could be found saying something so preposterous.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30912075.post-65385350513944512582007-08-21T03:48:00.000+01:002007-08-21T03:48:00.000+01:00I tried to explain why astrology worked to my son ...I tried to explain why astrology worked to my son who is now in univesrity and thinks he knows everything, and he wasn't buying any of it! And he's a Bull besides.<BR/><BR/>Moni from New YorkAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30912075.post-73241635263105933122007-08-20T17:05:00.000+01:002007-08-20T17:05:00.000+01:00What I'd say is that we have a propensity to have ...<I>What I'd say is that we have a propensity to have a symbolic relationship with the universe, and we'd do that whatever universe we lived in.</I><BR/><BR/>This has certainly been my experience and Mars/Mercury in Scorpio & Virgo MC, I tend to see patterns & relationships rather than linear facts. Made it extremely difficult for me in basic algebra - couldn't remember those niggily fricking formulas longer than 24 hours!! :-)Diane Lhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05611404164493055394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30912075.post-44854350732633543252007-08-20T16:01:00.000+01:002007-08-20T16:01:00.000+01:00Naim writes: "astrology as 'divinatory truth' seem...Naim writes: "astrology as 'divinatory truth' seems plausible, but seeing it as just a piece of technology or an 'i pod' style device designed by some technologically advanced species is just as valid." <BR/><BR/>What I'd say is that we have a propensity to have a symbolic relationship with the universe, and we'd do that whatever universe we lived in.<BR/><BR/>This symbolic relationship, though, isn't just a projection on our part - the universe seems to respond. So astrology takes place at that mysterious interface between subject and object, between consciousness 'in here' and matter 'out there'.<BR/><BR/>So I'd say astrology can't be just a piece of technology designed by some alien species, because that would put it one-sidedly on the 'out there' pole, which isn't how it works.<BR/><BR/>And however the aliens planned it, I don't think you can second guess what human consciousness will come up with, how humans will relate symbolically, where they will find meaning, in their universe.<BR/><BR/>Unless, of course, you take the view that human consciousness itself is the creation of an advanced technology, and that we are some kind of robot, but that's a whole other debate.Barry Goddardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10050835957098177925noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30912075.post-87622213339578773082007-08-20T14:29:00.000+01:002007-08-20T14:29:00.000+01:00hi ,this is an interesting post .astrology does se...hi ,this is an interesting post .<BR/><BR/>astrology does seem to have a scientific aspect though, at least internally. in the sense that that the chart can be tracked over time in a mechanistic way.like a clock or calendar.<BR/><BR/>also its arguable that astrology is not about humans at all as you believe but about the momemt of birth only . whether of a human,the titanic or your favourite petlabrador.<BR/><BR/>astrology as 'divinatory truth' seems plausible , but seeing it as just a piece of technology or an 'i pod' style device designed by some technologically advanced species is just as valid. <BR/><BR/>naimAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30912075.post-32276438701024416392007-08-19T23:12:00.000+01:002007-08-19T23:12:00.000+01:00Anyway, I did say that fundamentalists should be t...Anyway, I did say that fundamentalists should be turned into burgers.Barry Goddardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10050835957098177925noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30912075.post-83658651841293374612007-08-19T23:11:00.000+01:002007-08-19T23:11:00.000+01:00See Lynn's recent post on the man. He has Pisces R...See Lynn's recent post on the man. He has Pisces Rising and Moon. Makes you think about the sign - he's a bit of a Gordon Brown, keeping it all at bay?Barry Goddardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10050835957098177925noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30912075.post-6769814124372328432007-08-19T23:07:00.000+01:002007-08-19T23:07:00.000+01:00Yet a fundamentalist atheist such as Richard Dawki...Yet a fundamentalist atheist such as Richard Dawkins - 26th March 1941, Nairobi Kenya - no time, either cannot or will not see this simple truth that you have described so eloquently. He continually beats himself up trying to rubbish anything even faintly spiritual. Check his latest offering - "The God Delusion" and weep for him!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com